tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4540761711646097949.post100973899969349255..comments2024-03-27T10:04:51.949-05:00Comments on ikat bag: I Hate French DartsLiErhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13022645291278425282noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4540761711646097949.post-68818618063922299802016-02-14T02:52:19.164-06:002016-02-14T02:52:19.164-06:00I'm very late to this topic, but just want to ...I'm very late to this topic, but just want to add my thanks. I read about someone struggling with 'French darts' and googled it. Of course your title attracted me, and I recognized your blog, and THANK YOU. Clear, sensible and generous explanation. And justification for my two dart bodice sloper!!<br />highest shelfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01025703609253438300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4540761711646097949.post-87182082188923152172013-11-27T16:56:43.385-06:002013-11-27T16:56:43.385-06:00Audrey: you're right, and so are those google ...Audrey: you're right, and so are those google people. See my long comment below. We're all talking about the same thing, but maybe without the understanding that the angle of slant of the French dart is variable i.e. we can slant it as much or as little as we like. Some French darts begin closer to the armpit and some closer to the waist. Depends on one's particular body shape. As I said in my reply to MaryAnne's comment above, we position the fattest part of a dart where the body is hollowest, so that it can take in the most ease there. Some people are hollower immediately under the bust, and some are hollower around their waist, so that would be where the wide end of the dart is drafted. LiErhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13022645291278425282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4540761711646097949.post-61431310589861457652013-11-27T16:50:05.860-06:002013-11-27T16:50:05.860-06:00MaryAnne: no, I don't think they're wrong....MaryAnne: no, I don't think they're wrong. See my very long comment below. The important discriminating feature of French darts (on which everyone does agree, thankfully) is that they are diagonal, they have one end in the side seam and the other near the bust apex. The actual location on the side seam can be different - some of us have it very close to the armpit and some have it very low on the waist. Depends on your own particular contours - we usually position the fattest part of the dart where the body is hollowest, so that it can take in the most ease there. LiErhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13022645291278425282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4540761711646097949.post-49518494593037498892013-11-27T16:46:18.322-06:002013-11-27T16:46:18.322-06:00MaryAnne and Audrey: I was initially perplexed by ...MaryAnne and Audrey: I was initially perplexed by the "alternative" definition of French darts by those other sources you both mentioned, until I read them. I think we both mean the same thing, but are referring to different portions of the same dart. So let me see if I can help sort this out. French darts are diagonal darts, not vertical or horizontal. They also point downwards from the bust apex to the side seam. And, therefore, because they make a large, obtuse angle with the side seam, they appear as though they join to the side seam as one long, curved dart (with the side seam forming part of the "dart"). Some sources say they take the place of the waist dart because their deep slant has a vertical component (as opposed to a typical armscye dart which is almost only horizontal) which has a similar ease-reduction effect as the vertical waist contour dart (skinny diamond shaped thing with two apices). Which is, I suppose, another way of saying that French darts are, thus, a "combined" waist and bust dart; not that they are a continuous waist-and-bust dart the way a princess seam is, but that their effect combines the ease-reduction functions of both the waist and (a) bust dart. Some people (e.g. the ones with smaller cup sizes) can get by with just a French dart and no other; others (e.g. the ones with larger cup sizes) have deeper contours that may need both the French dart AND the additional vertical waist dart. Hope this helps.LiErhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13022645291278425282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4540761711646097949.post-89789084017825054872013-11-27T09:14:35.139-06:002013-11-27T09:14:35.139-06:00Thanks, LiEr! Some of my internet sources are wron...Thanks, LiEr! Some of my internet sources are wrong then. Definitely see how that is tricky.MaryAnnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13253503049272771754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4540761711646097949.post-48204188665173213312013-11-27T08:33:26.538-06:002013-11-27T08:33:26.538-06:00I always thought French darts were long diagonal ...I always thought French darts were long diagonal side seam darts that start a couple inches above the waist and end near the apex of the bust. But In my Google search I see a few other bloggers referring to French darts - a combined bust and waist dart emerging from the side seam. Hmm wonder which is correct? Those lovely rayon/poly brocades are always a booger to work with, but if you work through the challenges, it will be a really cute top.Audreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10322180715196133051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4540761711646097949.post-58088435778046869782013-11-27T00:36:49.598-06:002013-11-27T00:36:49.598-06:00MaryAnne: French darts are those diagonal "si...MaryAnne: French darts are those diagonal "side" darts that originate at the bust apex and open into the side seam, under the armpit. LiErhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13022645291278425282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4540761711646097949.post-69312577873445024032013-11-26T21:10:20.075-06:002013-11-26T21:10:20.075-06:00Did I understand correctly (from what I see here a...Did I understand correctly (from what I see here and my Google searches) that the dart is French because it doesn't go all the way to the bottom of the skirt? <br /><br />Now I want to see how you fix this! And, I would never have noticed any of the issues if you hadn't pointed them out - gorgeous fabric!MaryAnnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13253503049272771754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4540761711646097949.post-88340191319434015472013-11-26T16:48:31.396-06:002013-11-26T16:48:31.396-06:00I love this post! Thank you SO much for the packed...I love this post! Thank you SO much for the packed-with-information posts. It helps me look at my own things and understand what I'm doing wrong...I swear, I've read at least eight different descriptions of the different! kinds! of darts! none of which said, "by the way, gaping at the armscye, first is from a large cup-size, and second, can be fixed by putting a dart-opening there." Brilliant. I'm not American, but if I celebrated thanksgiving I'd be thankful for your teacher's spirit. It certainly benefits me!<br />-HannahSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4540761711646097949.post-63794589519120217152013-11-26T16:44:54.049-06:002013-11-26T16:44:54.049-06:00Of course I was distracted by the fabric... it'...Of course I was distracted by the fabric... it's beautiful!!Grandma Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09260178906088230163noreply@blogger.com